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Post by Admin on Dec 16, 2008 22:07:21 GMT -5
your line of reasoning only strengthens my resolve to make certain that it is never released to the public and only stays a NPC Gift. Seriously, this is major stuff we're talking. and character death, to my mind, is usually more preferable to unwanted, permanent changes. I've seen far too many characters permanently altered by jackasses, and sometimes put into a position where they're simply not pleasurable to RP anymore. Death, at least, ends a character.
Regardless, it's not going to be released any time soon. As I said, a plot released thing.
and I'm still not having permanent Gift removal. It would be hard to explain as well.
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Post by ĸara вelova★ on Dec 16, 2008 22:11:37 GMT -5
Okay, another suggestion for Vocal Enhancement then:
Can alter your voice to mimic anothers or go unrecognized.
May require strenuous exercise to maintain (especially after screaming); i.e. singing. 
Super-screaming isn't really all that cool/fun. It needs a little sumthin-sumthin to spice it up and make it more attractive.
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Post by Admin on Dec 16, 2008 22:13:41 GMT -5
Okay, another suggestion for Vocal Enhancement then:
Can alter your voice to mimic anothers or go unrecognized.
May require strenuous exercise to maintain (especially after screaming); i.e. singing.
Super-screaming isn't really all that cool/fun. It needs a little sumthin-sumthin to spice it up and make it more attractive. screaming's loads of fun! but i like your idea too, and will go and implement it now. |
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Post by Ϛ Christopher Nightingale on Dec 16, 2008 22:15:38 GMT -5
your line of reasoning only strengthens my resolve to make certain that it is never released to the public and only stays a NPC Gift. Seriously, this is major stuff we're talking. and character death, to my mind, is usually more preferable to unwanted, permanent changes. I've seen far too many characters permanently altered by jackasses, and sometimes put into a position where they're simply not pleasurable to RP anymore. Death, at least, ends a character. Regardless, it's not going to be released any time soon. As I said, a plot released thing. and I'm still not having permanent Gift removal. It would be hard to explain as well. If you really think death is worse than losing an ability, then there's not much I can do to reason with you >.<;; I concede defeat not to your reasoning, which I see as flawed and unjustified, but rather to your power. Which ticks me off, but hey; there will always be leaders. |
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Post by ĸara вelova★ on Dec 16, 2008 22:20:10 GMT -5
your line of reasoning only strengthens my resolve to make certain that it is never released to the public and only stays a NPC Gift. Seriously, this is major stuff we're talking. and character death, to my mind, is usually more preferable to unwanted, permanent changes. I've seen far too many characters permanently altered by jackasses, and sometimes put into a position where they're simply not pleasurable to RP anymore. Death, at least, ends a character. Regardless, it's not going to be released any time soon. As I said, a plot released thing. and I'm still not having permanent Gift removal. It would be hard to explain as well. If you really think death is worse than losing an ability, then there's not much I can do to reason with you >.<;; I concede defeat not to your reasoning, which I see as flawed and unjustified, but rather to your power. Which ticks me off, but hey; there will always be leaders.
I'm a Liberal when it comes to this. I know Matt was wanting to save nullification for plots stuffs, but I think people should be able to rp a character with it if they'd like. Maybe after it's been introduced via plot though. Also, if I had an ultra-cool ability and it was taken away from me, I'd be pretty depressed I was normal. It wouldn't be worse than death, but pretty shitty. Anyway, I can't hop aboard either ship, so I'll just stick to my life preserver and flounder about for a while.
*Removing a characters power would apply to the same rules as killing a character: you have to talk to the rper first. That's the only way it could ever be implicated, hence a very strict limitation to the gift. |
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Post by Ϛ Christopher Nightingale on Dec 16, 2008 22:21:27 GMT -5
If you really think death is worse than losing an ability, then there's not much I can do to reason with you >.<;; I concede defeat not to your reasoning, which I see as flawed and unjustified, but rather to your power. Which ticks me off, but hey; there will always be leaders.
I'm a Liberal when it comes to this. I know Matt was wanting to save nullification for plots stuffs, but I think people should be able to rp a character with it if they'd like. Maybe after it's been introduced via plot though. Also, if I had an ultra-cool ability and it was taken away from me, I'd be pretty depressed I was normal. It wouldn't be worse than death, but pretty shitty. Anyway, I can't hop aboard either ship, so I'll just stick to my life preserver and flounder about for a while.I have nothing against waiting. |
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Post by Eiji Almasy. on Dec 16, 2008 22:29:53 GMT -5
- Gift Paralysis
-Stage 1 - being within a certain radius of the user will weaken the Gifts of others, a touch will disable them temporarily until the leave the area.
-Stage 2 - being within a certain radius of the user will disable the Gifts of others, a touch will disable them for a short period of time regardless if they leave the area.
-Stage 3 - being within a certain radius of the user will disable the Gifts of others for a period of time, regardless of whether they leave the area, a touch will disable the Gift permanently
[/size][/li][/ul] Some modifications you might be interested in; whether or not it's involuntary (yes would be interesting plot-wise, no would be more practical), whether or not after permanently removing a power the user is able to give it back, and the exact distances it operates within. Also, I suggest this would only make sense if this was a limit-of-one Gift. If you don't like it, I hope you have a -really- good argument, because I, for one, think it's nigh on -necessary- to have the option. [/quote] Gift Nullification will appear at some point as a plot point, which is why it hasn't shown up thus far. I've got plans to let it loose to a few people so we can move something along. Until then, it's going to be under wraps. Though you certainly have a decent set-up. I'll never create a Gift that removes Gifts permanently. Ever. Period. That's stupid, and even the best of people could abuse it. I refuse to allow it.[/quote] Why can't you control/run it then ?
You're running an underground science project, why don't you have someone in their captivity with the ability to remove gifts, so whenever someone wants their gift removed, they can do the approaching ?
I don't think anybody currently wants their gift removed, but who's to say they wont eventually.
And if you'll be doing the releasing/delegating, then wont it be the same as you running it ?
fyi. It's not that I don't care, it's more that it doesn't really affect me that I'm too concerned about this. |
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Post by Admin on Dec 16, 2008 22:34:55 GMT -5
your line of reasoning only strengthens my resolve to make certain that it is never released to the public and only stays a NPC Gift. Seriously, this is major stuff we're talking. and character death, to my mind, is usually more preferable to unwanted, permanent changes. I've seen far too many characters permanently altered by jackasses, and sometimes put into a position where they're simply not pleasurable to RP anymore. Death, at least, ends a character. Regardless, it's not going to be released any time soon. As I said, a plot released thing. and I'm still not having permanent Gift removal. It would be hard to explain as well. If you really think death is worse than losing an ability, then there's not much I can do to reason with you >.<;; I concede defeat not to your reasoning, which I see as flawed and unjustified, but rather to your power. Which ticks me off, but hey; there will always be leaders. I see permanent character alteration as being worse than death, yes, which you'd understand if you actually read my post. It's one thing to simply lose your character, which sucks, it's another to RP a character that you never wanted to in the first place. This leaves you the choice of abandoning your character, which is essentially the same as death, or continuing on. Most likely you'll choose the latter out of attachment to the character and continue to drag on through quite a lot of torturous RP. I really am planning on saving it for a future plot, and after it's introduced I'd be willing to consider allowing people the option of taking Gift nullification as a power. Like several Gifts, it's one that would have to be tightly regulated, as it essentially makes the character immune. Especially if expressed in the manner you give. We're arguing about a possibility in the future, after all, and I could foresee some people proving responsible enough to handle it. Under proper regulations, I might consider it myself. But right now? I see it as a very bad idea to permanently remove powers. To continue to harp on the third stage of a potential gift strikes me as asinine. |
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Post by Admin on Dec 16, 2008 22:37:18 GMT -5
Gift Nullification will appear at some point as a plot point, which is why it hasn't shown up thus far. I've got plans to let it loose to a few people so we can move something along. Until then, it's going to be under wraps. Though you certainly have a decent set-up. I'll never create a Gift that removes Gifts permanently. Ever. Period. That's stupid, and even the best of people could abuse it. I refuse to allow it.
You're running an underground science project, why don't you have someone in their captivity with the ability to remove gifts, so whenever someone wants their gift removed, they can do the approaching ?
I don't think anybody currently wants their gift removed, but who's to say they wont eventually.
And if you'll be doing the releasing/delegating, then wont it be the same as you running it ?
fyi. It's not that I don't care, it's more that it doesn't really affect me that I'm too concerned about this.this is something along the lines of what i was planning for the plot-based release of it. Chances are that this Gift has shown up, but the fact that no one seems to have it is suspicious. As has been hinted elsewhere, there's something shady going on with the Academy. I'm sure anyone can put two and two together by now. There are several plot ideas floating around, but we need to get through one plot idea at a time. Right now the focus should be on the little dragon mini-plot, and the larger plot involving investigations (which will continue soon, there's been some debate about whether or not we should have two plot things concurrently; it will be within the next few days though, I assure you) |
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Post by ĸara вelova★ on Dec 16, 2008 22:43:18 GMT -5
If you really think death is worse than losing an ability, then there's not much I can do to reason with you >.<;; I concede defeat not to your reasoning, which I see as flawed and unjustified, but rather to your power. Which ticks me off, but hey; there will always be leaders. I see permanent character alteration as being worse than death, yes, which you'd understand if you actually read my post. It's one thing to simply lose your character, which sucks, it's another to RP a character that you never wanted to in the first place. This leaves you the choice of abandoning your character, which is essentially the same as death, or continuing on. Most likely you'll choose the latter out of attachment to the character and continue to drag on through quite a lot of torturous RP. I really am planning on saving it for a future plot, and after it's introduced I'd be willing to consider allowing people the option of taking Gift nullification as a power. Like several Gifts, it's one that would have to be tightly regulated, as it essentially makes the character immune. Especially if expressed in the manner you give. We're arguing about a possibility in the future, after all, and I could foresee some people proving responsible enough to handle it. Under proper regulations, I might consider it myself. But right now? I see it as a very bad idea to permanently remove powers. To continue to harp on the third stage of a potential gift strikes me as asinine.
We could make it a Gift you have to apply for OOC. Why you want it, for which character, how you'd use it, would you follow the rules for the Gift...? I'm pretty sure I know how you want to use this Gift in future plots, so I'll PM you about that. |
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Post by Ϛ Christopher Nightingale on Dec 16, 2008 22:44:28 GMT -5
If you really think death is worse than losing an ability, then there's not much I can do to reason with you >.<;; I concede defeat not to your reasoning, which I see as flawed and unjustified, but rather to your power. Which ticks me off, but hey; there will always be leaders. I see permanent character alteration as being worse than death, yes, which you'd understand if you actually read my post. It's one thing to simply lose your character, which sucks, it's another to RP a character that you never wanted to in the first place. This leaves you the choice of abandoning your character, which is essentially the same as death, or continuing on. Most likely you'll choose the latter out of attachment to the character and continue to drag on through quite a lot of torturous RP. I really am planning on saving it for a future plot, and after it's introduced I'd be willing to consider allowing people the option of taking Gift nullification as a power. Like several Gifts, it's one that would have to be tightly regulated, as it essentially makes the character immune. Especially if expressed in the manner you give. We're arguing about a possibility in the future, after all, and I could foresee some people proving responsible enough to handle it. Under proper regulations, I might consider it myself. But right now? I see it as a very bad idea to permanently remove powers. To continue to harp on the third stage of a potential gift strikes me as asinine. Don't insult my intelligence; I wouldn't reply to you without reading what you said. And to have harped about the third stage of a Gift you wouldn't even be introducing for awhile in the first place, due to a matter of opinion, seems asinine to me. I'm curious, though, does your opinion on this transfer to RL? If you lost, say, the ability to walk, would you rather have died? I suppose some may, but I am of the opinion that that is unreasonable. |
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Post by Admin on Dec 16, 2008 22:46:12 GMT -5
I see permanent character alteration as being worse than death, yes, which you'd understand if you actually read my post. It's one thing to simply lose your character, which sucks, it's another to RP a character that you never wanted to in the first place. This leaves you the choice of abandoning your character, which is essentially the same as death, or continuing on. Most likely you'll choose the latter out of attachment to the character and continue to drag on through quite a lot of torturous RP. I really am planning on saving it for a future plot, and after it's introduced I'd be willing to consider allowing people the option of taking Gift nullification as a power. Like several Gifts, it's one that would have to be tightly regulated, as it essentially makes the character immune. Especially if expressed in the manner you give. We're arguing about a possibility in the future, after all, and I could foresee some people proving responsible enough to handle it. Under proper regulations, I might consider it myself. But right now? I see it as a very bad idea to permanently remove powers. To continue to harp on the third stage of a potential gift strikes me as asinine.
We could make it a Gift you have to apply for OOC. Why you want it, for which character, how you'd use it, would you follow the rules for the Gift...? I'm pretty sure I know how you want to use this Gift in future plots, so I'll PM you about that.This is most likely where we'd end up, if I had to guess. |
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Post by Admin on Dec 16, 2008 22:55:13 GMT -5
I see permanent character alteration as being worse than death, yes, which you'd understand if you actually read my post. It's one thing to simply lose your character, which sucks, it's another to RP a character that you never wanted to in the first place. This leaves you the choice of abandoning your character, which is essentially the same as death, or continuing on. Most likely you'll choose the latter out of attachment to the character and continue to drag on through quite a lot of torturous RP. I really am planning on saving it for a future plot, and after it's introduced I'd be willing to consider allowing people the option of taking Gift nullification as a power. Like several Gifts, it's one that would have to be tightly regulated, as it essentially makes the character immune. Especially if expressed in the manner you give. We're arguing about a possibility in the future, after all, and I could foresee some people proving responsible enough to handle it. Under proper regulations, I might consider it myself. But right now? I see it as a very bad idea to permanently remove powers. To continue to harp on the third stage of a potential gift strikes me as asinine. Don't insult my intelligence; I wouldn't reply to you without reading what you said. And to have harped about the third stage of a Gift you wouldn't even be introducing for awhile in the first place, due to a matter of opinion, seems asinine to me. I'm curious, though, does your opinion on this transfer to RL? If you lost, say, the ability to walk, would you rather have died? I suppose some may, but I am of the opinion that that is unreasonable. Fine, you want to be an ass? First off, I've never been against the Gift idea, I've just been arguing against permanently altering characters. So yes, my argument has been FROM THE BEGINNING against that third stage. I was stating that it would be released at a plot point, as is still going to happen, but without the permanent drain. But instead of simply accepting a logical limitation, you have to argue and bring up stupid arguments. You can kill people with just about ANY Gift on the entire forum. Flight? Just fly someone up high enough, drop. Let's go obscure. Eidetic Memory: ever heard of dissection, not to mention pill knowledge? By reading one book, you now know everything you need to flawless commit a murder. So, following your reasoning, I should consider banning each and every Gift. For that manner, I shouldn't allow you all to have spoons or go anywhere near each other. That, is absurd. Furthermore, let me point out that at the end of the day, I bear ultimate responsibility. that's why I don't have co-admins. I listen to all of you, and I fully intend to honor your suggestions and play fair. But that means that every once in a while, you're going to have to trust me and just go by what I say. You can still attempt to talk me out of it, but not be being a belligerent asshole and coming up with half-constructed arguments. Finally, your "RL example." For one thing, don't conflict RL and RP. People have to go through RL, which sometimes means making the best of things. It's not so much so with RP, which is primarily fantasy. To deny someone their experience is essentially to ruin RPing at its whole. Besides, some people would argue that losing legs is worse than losing life. But people have to get over that. Myself, I'd probably despair, and attempt to overcome. Yes, I expect bad things to happen to character. But I've also had my characters permanently altered. I had a character killed because I pissed off an admin. I've seen someone have their alignment permanently switched. That's right, brainwashed. Yes, we can RP around that, but I'd rather prevent those possibilities. Exceptions would be if people actually wanted too. All this strikes me as very good reasoning to keep it a NPC only gift, but I'm actually willing to work with you guys instead of just throwing my weight around. SO GET OFF MY FUCKING BACK BEFORE I REALLY GET ANGRY WITH YOU. |
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Post by Ϛ Christopher Nightingale on Dec 16, 2008 23:06:25 GMT -5
Don't insult my intelligence; I wouldn't reply to you without reading what you said. And to have harped about the third stage of a Gift you wouldn't even be introducing for awhile in the first place, due to a matter of opinion, seems asinine to me. I'm curious, though, does your opinion on this transfer to RL? If you lost, say, the ability to walk, would you rather have died? I suppose some may, but I am of the opinion that that is unreasonable. Fine, you want to be an ass? First off, I've never been against the Gift idea, I've just been arguing against permanently altering characters. So yes, my argument has been FROM THE BEGINNING against that third stage. I was stating that it would be released at a plot point, as is still going to happen, but without the permanent drain. But instead of simply accepting a logical limitation, you have to argue and bring up stupid arguments. You can kill people with just about ANY Gift on the entire forum. Flight? Just fly someone up high enough, drop. Let's go obscure. Eidetic Memory: ever heard of dissection, not to mention pill knowledge? By reading one book, you now know everything you need to flawless commit a murder. So, following your reasoning, I should consider banning each and every Gift. For that manner, I shouldn't allow you all to have spoons or go anywhere near each other. That, is absurd. Furthermore, let me point out that at the end of the day, I bear ultimate responsibility. that's why I don't have co-admins. I listen to all of you, and I fully intend to honor your suggestions and play fair. But that means that every once in a while, you're going to have to trust me and just go by what I say. You can still attempt to talk me out of it, but not be being a belligerent asshole and coming up with half-constructed arguments. Finally, your "RL example." For one thing, don't conflict RL and RP. People have to go through RL, which sometimes means making the best of things. It's not so much so with RP, which is primarily fantasy. To deny someone their experience is essentially to ruin RPing at its whole. Besides, some people would argue that losing legs is worse than losing life. But people have to get over that. Myself, I'd probably despair, and attempt to overcome. Yes, I expect bad things to happen to character. But I've also had my characters permanently altered. I had a character killed because I pissed off an admin. I've seen someone have their alignment permanently switched. That's right, brainwashed. Yes, we can RP around that, but I'd rather prevent those possibilities. Exceptions would be if people actually wanted too. All this strikes me as very good reasoning to keep it a NPC only gift, but I'm actually willing to work with you guys instead of just throwing my weight around. SO GET OFF MY FUCKING BACK BEFORE I REALLY GET ANGRY WITH YOU. Well, I personally don't think getting loud is going to solve anything, so I'll answer you as evenly as I can. The Gifts you mention do not kill directly, they are merely obscure means with which you may kill a person.But this doesn't matter, because what I am saying is that these things should be regulated, not ignored as possibilities. Also, drawing a parallel between RP and RL is not a strange notion. Sure, the feelings are much more real, but the idea is the same; comparing death to disability. Besides, it was just a question anyway, not an analogy. Lastly, I'm not going to bother arguing further, because in the end, your word is the law, but I will leave you with one last thing; I cannot make you angry, anger is a choice. I can influence your decision a great deal, but in the end, you -always- decide how you feel, no matter the emotion, no matter the person. |
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Post by Admin on Dec 16, 2008 23:16:38 GMT -5
Fine, you want to be an ass? First off, I've never been against the Gift idea, I've just been arguing against permanently altering characters. So yes, my argument has been FROM THE BEGINNING against that third stage. I was stating that it would be released at a plot point, as is still going to happen, but without the permanent drain. But instead of simply accepting a logical limitation, you have to argue and bring up stupid arguments. You can kill people with just about ANY Gift on the entire forum. Flight? Just fly someone up high enough, drop. Let's go obscure. Eidetic Memory: ever heard of dissection, not to mention pill knowledge? By reading one book, you now know everything you need to flawless commit a murder. So, following your reasoning, I should consider banning each and every Gift. For that manner, I shouldn't allow you all to have spoons or go anywhere near each other. That, is absurd. Furthermore, let me point out that at the end of the day, I bear ultimate responsibility. that's why I don't have co-admins. I listen to all of you, and I fully intend to honor your suggestions and play fair. But that means that every once in a while, you're going to have to trust me and just go by what I say. You can still attempt to talk me out of it, but not be being a belligerent asshole and coming up with half-constructed arguments. Finally, your "RL example." For one thing, don't conflict RL and RP. People have to go through RL, which sometimes means making the best of things. It's not so much so with RP, which is primarily fantasy. To deny someone their experience is essentially to ruin RPing at its whole. Besides, some people would argue that losing legs is worse than losing life. But people have to get over that. Myself, I'd probably despair, and attempt to overcome. Yes, I expect bad things to happen to character. But I've also had my characters permanently altered. I had a character killed because I pissed off an admin. I've seen someone have their alignment permanently switched. That's right, brainwashed. Yes, we can RP around that, but I'd rather prevent those possibilities. Exceptions would be if people actually wanted too. All this strikes me as very good reasoning to keep it a NPC only gift, but I'm actually willing to work with you guys instead of just throwing my weight around. SO GET OFF MY FUCKING BACK BEFORE I REALLY GET ANGRY WITH YOU. Well, I personally don't think getting loud is going to solve anything, so I'll answer you as evenly as I can. The Gifts you mention do not kill directly, they are merely obscure means with which you may kill a person.But this doesn't matter, because what I am saying is that these things should be regulated, not ignored as possibilities. Also, drawing a parallel between RP and RL is not a strange notion. Sure, the feelings are much more real, but the idea is the same; comparing death to disability. Besides, it was just a question anyway, not an analogy. Lastly, I'm not going to bother arguing further, because in the end, your word is the law, but I will leave you with one last thing; I cannot make you angry, anger is a choice. I can influence your decision a great deal, but in the end, you -always- decide how you feel, no matter the emotion, no matter the person. One gets loud when one gets angry, it happens. Every Gift that kills directly is counter-balanced by other circumstances. Furthermore, what I'm demonstrating is that you have to draw a line somewhere, because it's a slippery slope argument. Every Gift can be used to kill, either indirectly or directly, so you have to figure out where to draw the line. The analogy is simply flawed, not completely useless. In addition, I have addressed what you presented, and answered it as I did. Yes, no one technically controls another person's emotions (in RL anyway). But a person can purposefully say and do things to irritate and anger the other person, past the point where someone says to "stop." the natural reaction is going to be anger, that's what happens. So, in acting in a manner that irritates and angers, you are part of the cause for the actions. In the end, it's a mix of two factors. I would not get angry if you weren't antagonizing me. |
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